Re: social complexity

My question was, whether by looking at VEMs as something produced by
_natural_ processes we are considering them precisely in the sense of the
preent perfect tense (as _objects_) and how far his _biological_ view is
misleading considering that morality is a production of ourselves by
ourselves at least as far as we move inside it in the present tense. My
question is, further, how far the viewpoint of the present tense in the case
of humans is even far more complicate (unpredictable) than in living beings
at all. The difference I see (at least from the methodological point of
view) is that we cannot take the position of the present tense with regard
to other living beings but only with regard to ourselves, and this is
precisely what _ethics_ (as a reflection on morality) is all about. Values
are the (some) outcome of this.
kind regards
rafael

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Von: Jerry LR Chandler <jlrchand@erols.com>
An: Multiple recipients of list <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Datum: Dienstag, 24. November 1998 00:55
Betreff: Re: social complexity

>Prof. Dr. Rafael Capurro wrote:
>
>> I think this two viewpoints are somehow related to what Koichiro calls
the
>> present tense and the present progressive tense, or, in other
terminology,
>> an objective and a subjective view.
>
>I view Koichiro's work to reach far, far beyond tensions between
>objective or subjective; fact or judgment. If I understand the
>extensive experimental data which generates his language, then I think
>Koichiro is asking if we can understand what it means to be creative.
>(The present progressive is actively processing the surrounding flows of
>intensively intertwined and intermingled signal and signs; the precise
>pathway is unknowable in advanced, in part because of the intertwining
>of cyclic processes acting at different time scales and at unknowable
>positions in their orbitals. )
>The historical record laid down in the past (the present perfect) is
>open and readable to all who attempt to repeat the experiments - it is
>public information; reproducible and consistent with a large body of
>pragmatic truths; it is "objective". Is Koichiro asking how the
>objective is created?
>
>Jerry LR Chandler
Received on Wed Nov 25 10:35:37 1998