Re: disconnected points

Dear Pedro,

Now first to you, and you may decide whether to circulate to all members of
the fis list:

Classical phyisics (incl. quantum physics as well) formulated its *laws*
for closed systems. So did it also for entropy, as well as for information.
As concerns the cell (or any biological entity) it is an open system,
exchanging matter, physical properties, etc. with its environment. A few
modern (less popular) chapters of physics deal with these issues: how do we
need to adopt our laws to these open systems (depending on the kind of
exchange with their environment), incl. those for the entropy and for
information. Thus, the investigation of the cell from a physcial aspect
(and from the aspect of information) is a subject of special studies, what
worth time and energy.

Physics and information may be a subject of another investigation, from
other aspects too (e.g., those speed limits established for physical
effects are not certainly limiting the speed of information transmission;
this may have special consequences, not discussed enough yet).

However, I would like to emphasise again: acknowleging that all the
mentioned topics are of great importance and interesting for discussion,
the list is too long for a single e-conference. Let's reduce the list, and
leave some of the topics to a next e-conference. Such a concentration would
make the discussion more compact, more productive, and we would avoid a
divergence of the submitted ideas.

Regards,
Gyuri

At 13:58 17/12/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Dear colleagues:
>
>Just a few disconnected points motivated by the theor. postings these days
>(thanks for the exciting messages!):
>
>-- Although quite many novelties in bio & neuro & computer sciences (and
>social and techno changes too) induce to a new conceptualization of
>information phenomena, maybe we should wisely consider the living cell as
>the "zero" system to start out the analysis (and later on the synthesis).
>
>-- The new info conceptualization most probably has to revise central
>tenets of physics (the "four mechanics core": classic, stastistic,fluid,
>quantum). And rediscuss, also, an array of philo & multidisciplinary
>notions on causality, matter-mind, knowledge, identity, fitness, utility,
>rationality, value, etc. Such "mechanically abstruse" notions might get a
>fair revision and a clearer footing at the info field.
>
>-- So to speak, after two centuries of "imperialism of physics", an
>entanglement of mechanistic non-informational ideas has pervasively
>colonized the system of the sciences and persisted in quite many wrong
>places, appearing in the form of insidious surrogates. Weeding them out is
>really difficult and a long term enterprise (not to mention the infamous
>breach between natural sci.and the humanities).
>
>-- It may well be that, individually, we feel having already made
>substantial advancements in these and related themes. But at the time
>being perhaps we should collectively insist on exposing the conceptual
>gaps and leaving them open as much as possible. Nothing attracts more in
>science than "a void to fill in".
>
>best wishes
>
>Pedro
>
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>Fundaci�n CIRCE
>CPS Univ. Zaragoza, 50015 Zaragoza, Spain
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