Re: time and three infos

From: Gyorgy Darvas <[email protected]>
Date: Tue 12 Feb 2002 - 13:31:05 CET

Dear Morris,

the communicational is more closely
linked to the entropy aspect than to the organization-symmetry

Time plays a linking role among them. They are as much time-dependent as the entropy aspect. Organization-symmetry properties - at least in physics, where you borrow the entropy analogy - are consequences of time-dependence.

I have no time at the moment to explain in details the role of time in all (physical) symmetries, and the latters' role in constituting the organizational-structural properties (even outside physics). Nevertheless, my short answer to your question:

Yes, "time dependency" with respect to the three info genera *may* be one way to
link your/our different "domains" or approaches and help fill the gaps.

Regards,
Gyuri Darvas

At 10:08 2002.02.12._ +0100, you wrote:

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FISers-
I'm very optimistic about the upcoming econference and have enjoyed the
December thread.

Possibly most participants would agree with Pedro's call for a generalised
scheme of constitutive, generative and communicational info. But, since Ted
(Goransen) suggested (rightly) that we emphasise mechanisms, avoid excessive
terminology or domain examples, it's hard to know where to begin.
Others may be having a similar problem...

In ethology there is a wide gap between the communicational (behavioural),
generatve (DNA or even physiology) and constitutive (in this sense be
anatomy?). Along these lines one thing that helps fill the gaps in our
studies is time, which is quite implicit in behaviour but less so in
constitutive and generative. Possibly the latter two are less "time
dependent" but, at least in my field the communicational is more closely
linked to the entropy aspect than to the organization-symmetry. Could this
"time dependency" with respect to the three info genera be one way to
compare our different "domains" or approaches and help fill the gaps.


Morris Villarroel
PhD

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