Re: [Fis] Meaningful Information vs Information

Dear Soren,
Let me answer you (my two tickets were rapidly used last week).
Clearly, 2) HAS TO DO with lived meaning: a living system IS a
system having a constraint to satisfy (stay alive). So "meaning"
is with a subject (the living element). But currently the proposed
systemic approach cannot be applied to human as clearly as to
basic life. This because we do not understand clearly enough the
constraints related to human. So I do not want to consider now the
meanings related to qualias, which are human characteristics
("qualitative characteristics of conscious experience").
Remember that this systemic approach is evolutionist.
Steps are:
First modelize "meaning generation" for a simple case (basic life).
Done (see http://crmenant.free.fr/ResUK/index.HTM ).
Then analyse possiblity of application to more complex systems.
You may remember (Biosemiotics 3) I'm working on this extension.
A lot is still to be done, but I'm confident we will get there.
Best
Christophe

Selon S�ren Brier <sbr.lpf@cbs.dk>:

> Dear Christophe
>
> We have discussed this before. I cannot see how your 2) has anything to
> do with lived meaning.I t is meaning without a subject, without qualia,
> without experience and emotions.
>
> crmenant@free.fr wrote:
> >
> > Dear FISers,
> > Ongoing discussion about relations between information and meaning
> > is interesting. Subject deserves indeed much development.
> > Some may remember that we had last year exchanges that addressed
> > the point via a systemic approach, trying to represent "meaning"
> > as generated by a system.
> > Let me remind in a few words the proposed approach, as it may
> > bring some elements in current discussions:
> > 1) A meaning is an information. It is a meaningful information.
> > 2) A meaning can be defined as produced by a system submitted
> > to a constraint when it receives an external information that has
> > a relation with it's constraint. The meaning is that relation.
> > 3) It is possible to define a Meaning Generator System (MGS) and
> > the Domain of Efficiency of a Meaning (for meaning transmission).
> > 4)The MGS is a building block. In practical cases, several systems
> > having different constraints interfer together.
> > Regarding Peirce, the MGS can be compared to an Interpreter (this
> > point has been discussed in the Peirce-l forum).
> > Short paper on all this at:http://crmenant.free.fr/ResUK/index.HTM
> > I feel that such systemic approach can shed light on some questions
> > adressed in ongoing discussions.
> > Let us know your position
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Christophe
> >
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Received on Mon Feb 16 20:01:02 2004