Dear Viktoras,
Is that not true that any natural system does not possess entropy, order or
disorder. Our description of it operates in these terms which we use for
convenience. Hence whatever occurs simply because it occurs. In our models
of this "whatever" we observe the dynamics of some variables from these
models (not from nature which does not have variables and know math either),
which variables we call entropy and information, order and disorder.
Therefore in our model there might be something alluded to as a "final
cause", but not in the world out there. Neither this world have any purpose.
What is the purpose of the porpoise? :)))))))
Igor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Viktoras Didziulis" <viktoras.didziulis@sci.fi>
To: <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis] Economic Networks
> Stan wrote:
>> Because of this
>> generally poor energy efficiency, it is legitimate to say that
whatever
>> occurs does so IN ORDER TO PRODUCE ENTROPY.
>
> Dear Stan,
> some questions to meditate on :-)
>
> whatever occurs there are two sorts of "things" always going
on:
> A) production of entropy - 2nd law,
> B) production of structure - (self)organization (???law).
>
> If we assume that whatever occurs it does so in order to produce entropy
> (A)
> then (self)organization (B) is "just" a side-effect of entropy
> production..
>
>
> Otherwise whatever occurs it does so in order to produce structure (B),
> then
> entropy (A) is "just" a side-effect of (self)organization...
>
> Which one of the two statements above is true ?
>
> Is it so that when I write the message (like this particular one) I am
> driven by the final reason to produce entropy by increased usage of
> electricity, making keyboard and processor of my PC a bit warmer and
> heating
> some cables on the way to people I communicate with, in order to force
> somebody's brain to burn more glucose in order to release more warm into
> environment thus increasing global warming and adding some more heat into
> the expanding Universe in order to drive it's state a bit further from
> thermodynamic equilibrium then it is now ? Is the meaning of the message
> encoded within grammatical language structures just a waste-product of
the
> entropy production chain ? Whichever - entropy or (self)organization is
> the
> purpose and the driving force of whatever occurs ?
>
> The same would be valid for any complex structure or system, would it be
> genetic code, living organism, ecosystem, or architecture, cities,
> countries
> creations of science or art. In every process of (self)organization there
> are always two results produced - structure and waste (entropy). Content
> of
> energy is higher in wastes while content of information is higher in
> structures. Whichever - energy or information - is more important in this
> context ?
>
> So is the ENTROPY the final cause of (self)organization, or is it an
> inevitable side-effect ? Do we build our architecture (and overall
> civilization) in order to produce waste and release more energy into our
> environment (***thus driving our civilization towards a sure death), or
in
> order to build something that we could look at, walk through or live in ?
> Are we having environmental problems because of all the waste (heat,
> pollution released into our environment) we produce, or should we look at
> production of all that waste as the driving force and the final reason of
> emergence of our human civilization and all economies ?
>
> If the Entropy is the final reason, then it also means that the final
> reason
> of our civilization is its final death (refer to ***)...
>
> Best regards
> Viktoras
>
>
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