Dear Luis,
this is a very important issue in ethics indeed.
We have, as you remark, a long tradition (starting with Socrates and the
Sophists in the West) about it that considers the choice of the good as only
(!) dependent on knowledge/information. This is the
intellectualist position. The other position, which we could call a
"decisionist" one, stresses the importance of the will as source of good/bad
action. Neither of these positions can be considered by themselves as
satisfactory. Common sense teaches us that the mere knowledge about what is
supposed to be a better option (and moral decisions are taken by being aware
of different options of human behavior) is not enough for doing the good.
Without a "good will" (Kant) no good moral action comes forth.
But, on the other hand, there is no pure decision as such, i.e. all human
decision are already "in-formed" my previous knowledge (mostly implicit) of
what is the good "rule" of action. They are based on the common accepted
morality in a society. This (implicit) morality has an important role
because it allows us to act on "good conscience" without having to reflect
every time we have to decide something. Thisis also the case of law, but law
is basically local (international law is difficult to apply as there is no
"central power". This makes the importance of explicit quasi-moral rules
(like the Univ. Declaration of Human Rights) so important and also the
international/intercultural ethical discussion (such as in our list).
We cannot make always an explicit (intellectual) analysis of every human
action i.e. of every action implying rationality. In Scholastic philosophy
there is a famous distinction between "actio humana" (rational action) and
"actio hominis" (i.e. all other kinds of action that are not reflected my
rationality). So, by making explicit our motivations and by reflecting once
more on the structure of morality in ethical theory (this is then some kind
of second order reflection), i.e. by explicit "in-forming" the will, there
is still the question of taking "de facto" the decision. In order for a
decision to be qualified as a moral one it is necessary to view the reasons
lead by "maximes" (Kant) or judgements that are "categorical" (i.e. related
to the action itself, not to the motivations of the actor),
intersubjectively proved or generalizable/universalizable (also Kant).
But also the other older (Western) tradition of ethics is important. It is
no related to ethics as theory of morality centred on moral judgments, but
on a theory of "good life" and open to local and individualizable options.
Of course, in our globalized world, what is "good" in the local level can be
very bad in the global level, and vice verse. So it would be a bad theory if
we would oppose the old and the new (modern) tradition of ethical thinking.
In other words, in-forming our moral actions implice a double-bind
reflection (universality and particularity) but it rests finally on the
question about the will itself a stated alredy by Aristotle (against
Socrates/Plato): the goal of ethical theory is doing the good, i.e. it is
something external to this theory. The great question is then what "moves"
us to do the good/the bad.
kind regards
Rafael
Prof. Dr. Rafael Capurro
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Luis Serra (by way of Pedro Marijuan<marijuan@unizar.es>)"
<serra@unizar.es>
To: <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Fis] The Identity of Ethics
> Dear Pedro, Michael and colleagues,
>
> After a long silence in these exciting FIS discussions, I would like to
> share with you just a couple of comments inspired in the elegant messages
> exchanged.
>
> What is the type of information required to be integral, to reach
> individual's completeness? In my opinion, Integrity, in the sense
referred
> by Michael, requires a much deeper knowledge than just intellectual
> knowledge: it requires to realize it, to deeply assume it. In my opinion
> it is not either a question of, say, "blind belief" in some
behavior or
> something doctrinal. Integrity, in the sense I understood to Michael,
> comes naturally as a result of personal maturity and experience.
> Therefore, in the context of this great discussion on Ethics and
> Information I wonder:
> - what kind or what type of information is required to reach individual's
> completeness?, and also,
> - where this information can be obtained?
>
> A second comment very much connected with the previous one.
> Somebody said (Socrates, I think) that human beings' evil does not exist,
> it is just a question of ignorance. Again, a similar question arises to
> me: What kind of information could be the "antidote" of human
evil? Does
> this question make a very special sense in our globalized societies?
>
> All the best,
>
> Luis
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Luis M. Serra
> Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
> University of Zaragoza, Spain.
>
>
>
>
> At 15:04 27/04/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>>Dear Michael and colleagues,
>>
>>Am afraid I cannot make such elegant a response to your comments as
Stan
>>has done. Both the "integrity" of the individual and his/her
>>"contemplation" of the natural environment appear indeed as
crucial
>>factors for the ethical standpoint. I do not see very clearly how to
>>connect them--but will try. Who would deny that the ethical discourse
on
>>the environment is so much central, appreciated and concerned
nowadays?
>>(Even solitary Mr. Robinson would be judged ethically by contemporary
>>ecologists on how respectfully he behaved and afforded his living upon
the
>>island environment.) Cultural, economic, religious factors may be
invoked
>>in more general terms, but perhaps the personal decorum around the
>>"complete" individual has been the basic engine in the
development of
>>social ethics. It is part of the ideal of scholarship in science.
>>Visionary individuals who have sculpted the subtle system of rewards
and
>>punishments --on personal reputations basically-- that propel
>>organizational networks and maintain cooperation in complex societies.
It
>>is not that most people are "good" per se, but that a
relatively
>>well-designed social order makes cheating behaviors unattractive
--taking
>>for free group's benefits and running away.
>>
>>Thus, apart from its inherent aesthetical aspects,
"integrity" would
>>convey an untractable informational problem about the individual's
>>behavioral evaluation of the total milieu. The discussion on ethics,
>>pushing it at its most impossible or "Quixotic" extremes,
takes us to
>>impossible or "foundational problems" of information
science. Seemingly,
>>in order to grasp them, it is necessary that we break away from quite
a
>>few obsolete ways of thinking and disciplinary walls.
>>
>>best
>>
>>Pedro
>>
>>At 10:35 25/04/2006, you wrote:
>>>Dear Pedro,
>>>
>>>I find your statement, that Robinson Crusoe did not need
>>>any ethics in his solitary island, very intellectually
stimulating.
>>>
>>>I actually take the opposite view of ethics. I believe that
>>>the ethical individual is one who has INTEGRITY.
>>>Integrity means completeness. An individual's completeness
>>>is tested most by their capacity to be alone.
>>>If an individual can be alone, indeed prefers to be alone,
>>>then they are complete. This will mean that they have
>>>no need to use another person, steal from them, exploit them,
>>>and generally have an existence that is parasitic on
>>>another person.
>>>
>>>A complete individual, one with integrity, can enter society
>>>without the need to use others, exploit them, etc.
>>>
>>>I argue therefore that, paradoxically, ethics towards others
>>>actually begins with the capacity for aloneness.
>>>
>>>The unethical individual is empty - and strives always to
>>>maintain that emptiness, by avoiding internal growth,
>>>inward examination and self-understanding.
>>>This constant flight from self sends them continually
>>>in search for others upon whom they are entirely dependent.
>>>They have no identity other than what they can steal from others.
>>>
>>>It is the relation that an individual has to themselves,
>>>when alone, that determines their relation to others.
>>>
>>>By the way, Pedro, thank you so much for creating
>>>such an interesting debate on ethics.
>>>
>>>best
>>>Michael
>>>
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