Guy -- Yes, you are right. But I was reacting to Pedro's "The realm of
economy is almost pure information." Some aspects of an economy must be
seen to be dynamics, not just all of it pure constraints (here I reference
Pattee's 'dynamics / constraints' dichotomy). It is during the dynamics
that physical entropy is produced. Of course, informational entropy will
certainly be magnified in the constraint realm of an economy. As well, in
order to set up constraints, dynamical activities would have to be
undertaken.
Then Pedro asked:
>On the second track, about hierarchies and boundary conditions, shouldn't
>we distinguish more clearly between the latter (bound. cond.) and
>"constraints"?
S: Basing my views on Pattee's general distinction between
dynamics
and constraints, the relation between constraint and boundary conditions is
{constraint {boundary condition}}. That is, boundary conditions are one
kind of constraint. Constraints are informational inputs to any dynamical
system, and can be of many kinds.
STAN
-------------------------------------
>Stan,
>
>Aren't all constraints a form of information? I see constraints as
>informing the bounds of the adjacent possible and adjacent probable. If
>this is correct, then it would seem to render the economy as "almost
pure
>information". In fact, I think it would render all emergent systems
as
>pure information. Wouldn't it?
>
>Regards,
>
>Guy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Sat 2/24/2007 2:51 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Fis] Continuing Discussion of Social and Cultural Complexity
>
>Pedro said:
>
>>Dear Igor and Stan,
>>
>-snip-
>>
>>The realm of economy is almost pure information. Rather than planning,
>>markets are very clever ways to handle informational complexity. They
>>partake a number of formal properties (eg, power laws) indicating that
they
>>work as info conveyors on global, regional & sectorial, local
scales.
>>Paradoxically, "rational" planning can take a man to the
moon, or win a
>>war, but cannot bring bread and butter to the breakfast table every
day.
>>Planning only, lacks the openness, flexibility, resilience, etc. of
>>markets. A combination of both, with relative market superiority looks
>>better...
> It is hard for me to visualize the economy as being almost pure
>information! This is to forget about so-called 'externalities' -- sources
>and sinks, storms, wars, climate change -- even holidays! The larger scale
>material environment constrains the economy, while that(perhaps mostly as
>information) constrains human action.
>
>STAN
>
>>with regards,
>>
>>Pedro
>>
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