RE: [Fis] Continuing Discussion of Social and Cultural Complexity

RE: [Fis] Continuing Discussion of Social and Cultural Complexity

From: Loet Leydesdorff <[email protected]>
Date: Thu 08 Mar 2007 - 14:13:55 CET

Yes, Igor, that is how I define the neo-evolutionary model of a triple
helix: three coordinating mechansims can be expected to interact into a
complex dynamics. The market at each moment of time, knowledge production
and innovation over time, and normative control by government and
management. The system operates in terms of fluxes; the networks of
university-industry-government relations provide the neo-institutional
retention mechanisms.

On cannot expect such a system to come to rest; the non-linear dynamics are
non-trivial. Furthermore, the various subdynamics operate in terms of
codified expectations of themselves and each other. Thus, the system become
highly anticipatory; the past is continuously rewritten from the perspective
of the future. The latter is specified in terms of expectations.

With best wishes,

Loet

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Loet Leydesdorff
Amsterdam School of Communications Research (ASCoR)
Kloveniersburgwal 48, 1012 CX Amsterdam
Tel.: +31-20- 525 6598; fax: +31-20- 525 3681
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es
> [mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Igor Matutinovic
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:06 PM
> To: fis@listas.unizar.es
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Continuing Discussion of Social and
> Cultural Complexity
>
> Loet wrote:
> Yes: because the economy is equilibrating. Innovations upset
> the tendency
> > towards equilibrium (Schumpeter) and thus induce cycles
> into the economy.
> > This is the very subject of evolutionary economics.
> >
> > Marx's problem was that the cycles cannot be stopped and
> have a tendency
> > to
> > become self-reinforcing. However, the modern state adds the
> institutional
> > mechanism as another subdynamics.
>
> Besides innovations, even stronger cause of instability of
> the capitalist
> economy is its tendency to create diversity as a consequence
> of competitive
> interactions. Diversity, like in ecosystems, means redundancy and
> informational entropy (just think about the variety of any
> consumer product
> available on the market). Because of general technical constraints in
> production (production indivisibility, economy of scale, etc.) and
> forward-looking investment decisions which are based on incomplete
> information, redundancy of firms transfers aperiodically in absolute
> redundancy of output (overcapacity) that clears itself during
> the downward
> phase of the economic cycle. Marx was right in that the
> cycles cannot be
> stopped but wrong on the prediction that they will become
> worse. After the
> Great Depression an nstitutional toolbox of countercyclical
> policies was
> gradually put in effect, which constrained the absolute
> values of peaks and
> bottoms, but did not eliminate the business cycle.
> Redundancy/diversity, on
> the other hand, is essential for competition and innovation
> to persist in a
> economy. It creates informational entropy and gives a momentum to
> material/energy entropy production, as the constant influx of
> diversity
> maintains the economic system in it "juvenile", highly
> dissipative state.
>
> Best
> Igor
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Loet Leydesdorff" <loet@leydesdorff.net>
> To: "'Stanley N. Salthe'" <ssalthe@binghamton.edu>;
> <fis@listas.unizar.es>
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [Fis] Continuing Discussion of Social and
> Cultural Complexity
>
>
> >> It is indeed tempting to suppose that, in the philosophical
> >> perspective, the object of human economies is to produce entropy!
> >>
> >> STAN
> >
> > Yes: because the economy is equilibrating. Innovations
> upset the tendency
> > towards equilibrium (Schumpeter) and thus induce cycles
> into the economy.
> > This is the very subject of evolutionary economics.
> >
> > Marx's problem was that the cycles cannot be stopped and
> have a tendency
> > to
> > become self-reinforcing. However, the modern state adds the
> institutional
> > mechanism as another subdynamics. I am sometimes using the
> metaphor of a
> > triple helix among these three difference subsystems of
> communication and
> > control: economic equilibration, institutional regulation,
> and innovation.
> >
> > A triple helix unlike a double one cannot be expected to
> stabilize (in a
> > coevolution), but remains meta-stable with possible
> globalization. I
> > suppose
> > that this has happened.
> >
> > With best wishes,
> >
> >
> > Loet
> >
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