Re: info & physics

"Dr. Shu-Kun Lin" wrote:

> Difference between information and message
>
> "Message" can be regarded as "system" under consideration.
> "information" is one of the property of the concerned system.
>
> Shu-Kun
>
> mark burgin wrote:
> >
> > abir.igamberdiev@risoe.dk wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Pedro and Colleagues,
> > >
> > > Just a brief note about the physical background of information. I think it
> > > is important to consider the possibilities of world's physical structure
> > > which makes information transfer possible. As well as the physical structure
> > > does make it possible the existence of atoms, of life and consciousness. But
> > > in general this is quite far from the physicalist views. Also I would note
> > > that information is not simply a selection (otherwise it would be a truism
> > > that has no information) but it is a message about making selection. The
> > > result of this selection is implicitly contained in the information by which
> > > a selection occurs (that is why information possesses a feature of
> > > 'anamnesis' (following Socrates and Plato): knowledge is a 'remembrance' of
> > > a canon of perfection).
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Andrei Igamberdiev
> >
> > The correct observation of John Collier (cf. e-mail of John Collier of Mon, 13
> > May 2002 19:12:23 )
> > that two people could interpret the same message differently
> > shows that information cannot be a message.
> >
> > In a similar way, as
> > two people could interpret the same data differently
> > information cannot be some kind of data.
> >
> > In more detail, this is explicated in the paper (
> > M. Burgin THE ESSENCE OF INFORMATION: PARADOXES, CONTRADICTIONS, AND
> > SOLUTIONS)
> > and in the comments to the paper of Floridi (Is information some kind of
> > data?).
>
> --
> Dr. Shu-Kun Lin
> Molecular Diversity Preservation International (MDPI)
> Matthaeusstrasse 11, CH-4057 Basel, Switzerland
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Dear Shu-Kun and other participants of FIS,
Another possibility is that a message contains information as some specific
essence. It is like substance contains energy.

Sincerely,
   Mark
Received on Thu May 23 23:09:41 2002