Dear All
                    
                
Here we are again on the more earthly problems. Bob's remarks brings to the
                    
                    arena the statistical description of events in socioeconomic systems and the
                    
                    question as what kind of dynamical system economies are.
                    
                
Igor (M.) wrote:
                    
                    > Therefore, I think that Stan put the problem of sustainability in a
                    
                    > strikingly sharp perspective by proposing its alternatives: endless
                    
                    > wars or environmental collapses, or both of these at the same time.
                    
                    Bob: One way of coalescing Stan's alternatives is that both involve
                    
                    self-organising criticalities ("avalanches".) The question then becomes,
                    
                    can major SOC's be avoided?
                    
                
SOC has been used as a metaphor or a model of biological and socioeconomic
                    
                    dynamics. After tinkering with it for the past few years, I am akin to
                    
                    believe that SOC might be a good model for ecosystems and evolution but not
                    
                    so for socioeconomic systems. The main argument (details are available in a
                    
                    paper, if someone wishes, I can e-mail it) is that human systems are
                    
                    dominated by institutional design, which constraints self-organizing
                    
                    processes, (e.g. economic activities), in a non-trivial way (the market
                    
                    itself is an institution). The nature of institutional design is in
                    
                    contradiction with the self-organizing principle which is at the root of
                    
                    critical behavior. Also, the formation and behavior of autocatalytic
                    
                    networks, which is endogenous does not fit well with formal characteristics
                    
                    of SOC, which refers to "externally driven" systems. However, SOC as a
                    
                    metaphor may be very useful for social sciences as it points at power-law
                    
                    distribution of events, the existence of thresholds and therefore non-linear
                    
                    response to perturbation, and the importance of local interaction (all these
                    
                    were mostly ignored by mainstream economics and its formal models). After
                    
                    some drifting, I am finally convinced that mechanical physical models in
                    
                    general (SOC is one of them) are not good representations of socioeconomic
                    
                    systems. The main point is that socially shared values and beliefs, and
                    
                    their institutional representations are not susceptible to formalization
                    
                    while, on the other hand, they play a major role in the overall evolution of
                    
                    the system as well as in its medium term dynamics (which is perhaps the
                    
                    focal point of research interest). Differing viewpoints on this issue are
                    
                    most welcome!
                    
                
Bob and myself pointed at power-laws as one of the hallmarks of (economic)
                    
                    system organization. They (necessarily) arise from an interplay of
                    
                    autocatalytic processes and a particular institutional framework which is on
                    
                    one hand supportive of autocatalysis, and on the other it constraints and
                    
                    buffers its dynamics. One of the major questions is, as Bob wrote, if major
                    
                    "avalanches" can be avoided. The analysis of business cycles in the US
                    
                    indicates, that in the second halve of the 20th century recessions might
                    
                    have become milder, as a consequence of monetary and fiscal "automatic
                    
                    stabilizers" and other institutions. Bob and myself argued in our
                    
                    introduction that a substantial change in a dominant worldview is necessary
                    
                    to reduce the intensity of autocatalytic process in the world economy. The
                    
                    rationale behind this is simple, if we mange somehow reduce the intensity of
                    
                    autocatalytic process we may at the same time reduce the environmental
                    
                    impact and the magnitude of major negative events. In this process which may
                    
                    be called adaptation, information processing is of extreme importance. We
                    
                    have coherent information sets as worldviews and worldviews as information
                    
                    processing systems. This forms a complex, self-referential system in terms
                    
                    of Robert Rosen's definition of complexity (an observer sees a systems as
                    
                    "complex" when he has more that one single description of it). We surely do
                    
                    have different descriptions, e.g. business people, environmentalists, the
                    
                    World Bank, indigenous populations, scientist (those who are concerned and
                    
                    those who are not) etc..
                    
                    If we agree that the dominant worldview (shaped as its by economic
                    
                    rationality and preference for material consumption) is not an adequate
                    
                    "information processing system" for dealing with informational feedback that
                    
                    comes from natural environment, than an improvement or change of its design
                    
                    have something to do with the size distribution of "avalanches", or not ?
                    
                
I am trying to shift our discussion away from entropy and more in the
                    
                    direction of information forming, transformation and its diffusion in social
                    
                    and economic networks - I hope that Bob will agree with this proposal.
                    
                
All the best
                    
                    Igor
                    
                
                
                
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