Re: [Fis] Re: What is the definition of information ? (fis teamworkship!)

Dear Pedro,

Your posting here clearly articulates my own thinking on the matter - I
am in complete agreement.

As I pointed out in my earlier post, I believe the point of distinction
lies at the birth of complexity. I will go further to argue my
hypothesis that all complexity is the manifestation of the engineering
of sentience.

There is indeed a point at which mechanical interpretation is no longer
sufficient, and it is at that point that our current models of
information break down. Our existing mathematical tools prevent us from
adequately providing a description of this information model - we simply
do not today have a formal convention by which we can build consensus.

My own theories rely on the introduction of a new universal primitive
(analogous to gravity - inert and present) to account for this shift and
requires that information in complexity account for the presence of
experience and the resulting evolution of senses by natural selection.

In my own work I have introduced a primitive operation "experience-of,"
the quantified result of which is the benefit it provides to the
survival of organism - i.e., it can be applied quantitatively to the
tensor or vector in which it is found. This is very early work and it
is very far from clear to me today that this approach will be sufficient.

However, in applying the approach to a fully integrated set of equations
and information theory I am developing of a notion of "covariance" that
will capture complexity (motile sensory organism) while describing the
non-complex phenomena involved.

It may be that in such equations the distinction that you point to can
be adequately and formally expressed. It certainly requires additional
concepts - as I said earlier this month - that deals with the complex
process of "recognition."

With respect,
Steven

--
Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith
http://www.semeiosis.com
Pedro Marijuan wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> At the time being, none of the approaches and definitions of 
> information presented has managed to cross the informational divide 
> between the animate and the inanimate --though  it has been ignored or 
> sidestepped in different ways. How to do that is in my opinion one of 
> the most pressing questions we have to confront.
>
> Proclaiming a "queen" discipline (physics and molecular science for 
> some parties, or mathematical logics or computer science for others, 
> or semiotics, or biology itself in my own case) and getting ahead 
> overextending its provincial taxonomy of information will not solve at 
> all the global problem.
>
> A prolegomena articulating a "new way of thinking" seems necessary 
> --maybe incorporating items such as the essential openness of human 
> beings, their social creation and maintenance of different knowledge 
> modalities, the way each individual's nervous systems links percepts 
> and actions and store them into mixed "cognits" that through 
> languaging are transformed into "concepts" (so attempting an integral 
> sensorymotor approach to meaning)...  all the way down to the 
> evolutionary origins of nervous systems and the organizational 
> properties of living cells --their biomolecular networks-- as 
> responsible for the appearance of the aninamate/inanimate divide. And, 
> yes, most of the views discussed on "information physics" can be added 
> herewith, and the communication theory conceptualizations.
>
> I think it was Faraday who produced a memorable lecture on the 
> complexity of a candle-flame. If we can find hundred of chemical 
> reactions, combustions, convections, flows, etc. involved in a 
> daunting combination of amazing resilience and quasi-adaptive 
> properties---what is the comparative secret in the organization of 
> biomolecular networks to evolutionary beget millions and millions of 
> different "flames" of increasing complexity, neural systems included?
>
> It is the "flame of life" what demands the most radical 
> informational-interpretation, of course, the molecular elaboration of 
> meaning included (cellularly & neuronally).
>
> best
>
> Pedro
>
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