Re: [Fis] Re: What is information ?

Dear Jamie
yes - but massage is also in a broader sense manipulation - making a
"gestalt" or structure change - sometimes / often to the better.

You can consult Eric McLuhan - Marshall agreed with the word "message" but
the original and deep meaning is alos that media are canging us.
                                   (at least to me)

Heiner

> --- Urspr�ngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: James N Rose <integrity@ceptualinstitute.com>
> An: fis@listas.unizar.es
> Betreff: Re: [Fis] Re: What is information ?
> Datum: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:39:43 -0700
>
> Heiner Benking wrote:
> >
> > Dear Pedro
> > I do not want to correct you when you cite McLuhan:
> > The Medium is the Massage - not the Message !!
> > ...
> > Originally Mc Luhan wrote: THE MEDIUM IS THE MASSAGE
> >
>
>
> Please re-check your sources .. the public presentation
> -was- : "the medium is the mEssage"
>
>
> 'massage' only implies: manipulation without content.
>
> 'message' conveys the realization that the nature
> of a communication system is as impactful as any
> 'data' it moves around.
>
> Jamie Rose
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"MATTERS OF CONSEQUENCES".
Please also see the footnote, 
which makes obvious that we 
all work on many sit(d)es with different "hats",
see from different levels with different angles
and realize that living things are hard to "lable", 
that we should be "out of the box" working in many
sectors -
on many levels and in different "frames of reality".
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things, 
and only lukewarm support in those 
who might be better off under the new".
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My particular concern is the reception of change
in our genuine thinking and reasoning; 
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in "Man's Peril" <newthink> and what we
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